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2020 is changing life in many ways, including the way we work.  The trend toward working virtually was already well underway, but now remote work from home jobs may become more common going forward. Working virtually expands options for older workers who want to work longer, but with greater flexibility.

Kerry Hannon joins our podcast to talk about her new book Great Pajama Jobs: Your Compete Guide to Working from Home. She notes how remote work from home jobs level the playing field by focusing attention on performance and productivity.

I discuss with Kerry her views on:

  • The benefits of working virtually for mature workers – and the upside for employers.
  • If it’s possible for people to redeploy their skills in new areas, while also shifting to remote work from home jobs.
  • How someone knows if they’re a good fit for working virtually.
  • How to be successful – and happy –  working virtually.
  • How people working remotely should approach networking.
  • What someone who wants to create ongoing remote work with their current company should do.
  • What people should pay attention to in a job search targeting remote work from home jobs, beyond the technical skills a job requires.

Kerry joins us from Washington, DC.

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Bio

Kerry is the best-selling and award-winning author of 14 books. Her latest book, Great Pajama Jobs: Your Compete Guide to Working from Home is now available. Never Too Old to Get Rich: The Entrepreneur’s Guide to Starting a Business Mid-Life, published by John Wiley & Sons, in 2019, and is a #1 bestseller on Amazon and was selected by The Washington Post for its Book-of-the-Month Club in September.

Other best-selling and award-winning books penned by Kerry include: Money Confidence: Really Smart Financial Moves for Newly Single WomenGreat Jobs for Everyone 50+: Finding Work That Keeps You Happy and Healthy . . . And Pays the BillsLove Your Job: The New Rules for Career Happiness, Getting the Job You Want after 50, and What’s Next?: Finding Your Passion and Your Dream Job in Your Forties, Fifties and Beyond.

She has spent more than three decades covering all aspects of careers, business and personal finance as a columnist, editor, and writer for the nation’s leading media companies.

Kerry is currently an expert columnist and regular contributor to The New York Times, MarketWatchForbes, and is personal finance and entrepreneurship expert on the PBS website NextAvenue.org. Her areas of expertise include small business, personal finance, retirement, wealth management and career transition.

She has appeared as a career and financial expert on The Dr. Phil Show, ABC, CBS,, CNBC, NBC Nightly News, NPR, Yahoo Finance and PBS.

In addition to delivering practical advice for mid-life workers seeking to land rewarding jobs, find financial and personal rewards and ride the age wave of longevity with grace, a key passion for Kerry is helping and advising women on how to take charge of their own financial planning, at all stages of their lives, to prepare themselves for a financially secure future.

Her earlier books include Suddenly Single: Money Skills for Divorcees and Widows and The 10-Minute Guide to Retirement for Women.

Kerry is a former National Press Foundation Fellow, a former Fellow of the Columbia Journalism School and the Robert N. Butler Columbia Aging Center’s Age Boom Academy. She is also a former Metlife Foundation and New America Media Fellow on Aging.

She has testified before Congress about the importance of older workers.

Kerry graduated from Shady Side Academy in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where she serves on the Board of Visitors. She received a bachelor’s degree from Duke University, where she is currently a member of an editorial board. Kerry lives in Washington, D.C., with her husband, documentary producer and editor Cliff Hackel, and her Labrador Retriever, Zena.

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Wise Quotes

On the Benefits of Working Remotely

“I really truly believe that for older workers, the opportunity to work remotely offers several benefits that you might not have considered. And the number one really is truly getting at the core of ageism, right? This is the ‘ism’ that has been around forever. And nobody really talks about it in a concrete way that helps move the ball forward, but we’re all very acutely aware of it. Here’s the deal. When you’re working remotely, you have the opportunity to be judged on your performance and on your productivity. So you’re not being judged by a cover, but really what’s inside and what you produce. So it sounds a little simplistic, but I honestly think this option offers a great opportunity for experienced workers to be considered on an even playing field by their performance.”

On Networking as a Remote Worker

“…My favorite little slogan is networking is one letter away from not working. So it’s not one of those things that’s expendable. You have got to network and you can’t be ‘too cool for school’, especially if you are looking for a job.  Don’t be bashful. Look at everyone. You know, it’s the only way. And I’m meaning this that you truly get hired these days is you got to know somebody who knows somebody – or you have to have some kind of connection to that employer. [If you] have somebody who can refer you, they’re not going to get you that job, but if they can get you in the door for that first interview, you can shine and sell yourself at that point. But it truly is getting somebody to give you the inside scoop about who you’re going to talk to there, who you can talk to, what the culture is like and what is out there and the best way to find out.”

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For More on Kerry Hannon

KerryHannon.com

Her new book: Great Pajama Jobs: Your Complete Guide to Working from Home

Her 2019 book: Never Too Old to Get Rich: The Entrepreneur’s Guide to Starting a Business Mid-Life

Visit Kerry’s Website

Follow Kerry on Twitter: @KerryHannon

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Related Podcast Episodes You May Like

I’m Not Done. Are You? – Patti Temple Rocks

The Skill Set for Life’s Transitions – Bruce Feiler

Retired, But Not Done Yet – Dr. Cynthia Barnett

A Second Act after The Law – Mark Shaiken

How to Make a Wise Career Switch – Dawn Graham

Why People Make a Career Change with Purpose Top of Mind – Chris Farrell

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Ageism in the workplace is increasingly an obstacle to working longer. Patti Temple Rocks, author of I’m Not Done: It’s Time to Talk About Ageism in the Workplace, shares her story and why she’s fighting for change. Her book offers a portrait of the costs of ageism and recommends solutions that CEOs and HR can implement.

We discuss with Patti Temple Rocks:

  • Why she’s on a mission to combat ageism in the workplace
  • When she first noticed ageism in the workplace
  • The signs and subtle signals of ageism
  • Why ageism is bad for business
  • How companies benefit from a multigenerational workforce
  • What CEOs and HR can do to create an inclusive culture with age diversity
  • What she’s learned for her personal journey
  • How 5:45 AM Soul Cycle sessions helped in her transition
  • Her advice for people who aren’t done and want to work longer

Patti joins us from Chicago.

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Bio

Patti Temple Rocks is the author of I’m Not Done: It’s Time to Talk About Ageism in the Workplace. Her book, an Amazon bestseller, was ranked as one of INC Magazine 9 Books Every Professional Should Read in 2019 and Kirkus described her book as a “compelling argument and a spirited call to action against workplace age discrimination.” Patti is also a Forbes contributor and public speaker.

In close to four decades in the communications business, Patti has held senior leadership positions in four different areas of the industry: PR, Advertising Corporate, and Start-up. Patti is known as an inspirational leader, innovative thinker, problem-solver, growth driver, passionate brand steward, and both an agent for change and a counselor during that change.

Patti was the Managing Director for the Chicago office of IPG Public Relations agency, Golin, and led the agency to consistent growth, while providing counsel and ideas to clients including McDonald’s, Walmart, Humana, Tylenol, Unilever, Discover, Dow, and ConAgra. As the Chief Reputation Officer at Leo Burnett, Patti sat on of the agency’s Global Leadership Council, where she provided global strategic leadership of communications, and experienced first-hand the seismic shifts that were happening within the ad industry. While Chief Brand and Reputation Officer for Dow Chemical, Patti was the principal architect behind the company’s “Human Element” campaign, an award-winning rebranding effort that lifted Dow’s reputation scores by the most significant margin in its history. And as Founder of Temple•Rocks Communications in the 90s, she learned how to serve a wide variety of smaller clients while simultaneously getting married, giving birth, making cold calls, fixing copy machines, and built a successful start-up agency along the way.

Most recently, proving that she truly wasn’t done, Patti rejoined the creative agency world. In April of 2019, she accepted a role as Senior Partner ICF Next (formerly Olson Engage) where they utilize her “Wisdom, Experience & Connections” (Chapter 6 in her book) as she leads Client Impact across their combined advertising and PR group, Brand Engage.

Patti, an avid traveler who never says no to a travel opportunity and a lifelong Cubs fan, is most proud to be mother to Jake, step-mom to Eric and Danielle, and “Gigi” to five-year-old twins, Liam and Teagan. She lives in the Chicago suburb of Geneva, with her husband Bob and her two golden retrievers, Rose and Rizzo.

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Wise Quotes

On First Noticing Ageism

“And so I started to realize that there was a code language that maybe I didn’t fully understand. And so from that moment on, I just think I became acutely aware of some of this behavior that exhibits in workplaces because there is just this unchecked assumption that people reach a certain age and it’s over for them. They either will want to go off and do something different or the organization wants them to, but it was much more prevalent than I realized.”

On Taking Ownership

“…That’s one of the things that makes me saddest about ageism because I think it erodes people’s confidence. And so I think that’s probably why it is hard for people to take the next step…, because you’re not confident that the next step will work. And I’ve always sort of felt like, well, if this doesn’t work, I’ll try something else. So some of that I think must have to do with how I was raised, or I have taken a lot of risks in my career, but I also found when I described what happened with my boss and mentor at the time, I thought I’m not gonna let this happen to me. And I’m not going to be surprised. And if the workplace decides that I’m not relevant anymore, I’m going to be prepared to take that next step to move to that…second act.”

“And that’s when I realized Hell No!… I am still in my first act. I am still good at this career that I’ve spent 30 plus years building. I am not going to go to something else. I’m going to find a way to keep doing what I’m doing. So some of what I think fueled me was I thought I want to change the narrative …in the simplest way: I say, It’s not you. It’s them’  as long as the older worker, so-called older worker is still showing up and doing a good job every day. If the workplace makes a decision that that person isn’t valuable anymore, it’s the workplace, not the person. So I was honestly pretty ticked off when I wrote the book and thought I need business leaders to wake up and realize that they can.”

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For More on Patti Temple Rocks

Patti Temple Rocks’ book:

I’m Not Done: It’s Time to Talk About Ageism in the Workplace

Next Avenue Article:

The Most Insidious Form of Age Discrimination at Work: The ‘I’m Not Done’ author on the demoralizing practice of marginalization

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Related Podcasts You May Like

Navigating An Unexpected Career Change – Maggie Craddock

The Skill Set for Life’s Transitions – Bruce Feiler

If You Plan on Working Longer, How Do You Best Prepare? – Kerry Hannon

No Finish Line – Meyer Feldberg

How to Make a Wise Career Switch – Dawn Graham

We’re All Ageing. Are You Up for a Bolder Approach? – Carl Honoré

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What’s life in retirement like for a retired lawyer? And what does a career change for lawyers look like after years in practice? In this episode of our retirement podcast, we talk with retired attorney Mark Shaiken, about his book And… Just Like That: Essays on a life before, during, and after the law, about his story and his advice on second careers for lawyers (and non-lawyers as well).

We talk with Mark about:
  • How he decided to become a lawyer
  • His replacement word for retirement – and what his afterlife is like as a retired lawyer
  • What his transition to retirement was like
  • How a teacher may have put his interest in art on hold – and what it’s like working in a creative field today
  • What he’s learned about himself in his life as a retired lawyer
  • How lawyers can use their skill-set in other ways in second careers for lawyers
  • His advice for those considering a career change for lawyers – or a career change or non-lawyers as well.

Mark joins us from Denver, Colorado.

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Bio

Forty-one years in the law and then one day, no more law, just like that.

After retirement, Mark Shaiken authored: And… Just Like That: Essays on a life before, during, and after the law.

Mark is a survivor of a decades-long career in the corporate bankruptcy trenches. He sat for 10 years on his law firm’s board of directors and was a member of its strategic planning committee. He holds his B.A. from Haverford College and received his J.D. from Washburn University. He is a graduate of the Colorado Business Committee for the Arts’ Leadership Arts program. He holds seats on Art Boards, sits on Habitat for Humanity, Metro Denver’s audit and finance committee, and is a member of the Downtown Denver Partnership’s Mobility and Housing Councils. He now measures his life by what he gives and enjoys that immensely. Mark has now started his next book “Fresh Start,” a bankruptcy novel.

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Wise Quotes

On Transitioning to Retirement

“I think that I am correct that lawyers go through this process of why did I become a lawyer? Was this really the thing I should have done perhaps more than other professions? Because I think I hit a chord that resonated with the readers about that path. And I sure spend an awful lot of time during my career, trying to think of other things to do, maybe dreaming of other things to do, and certainly negotiating with myself as to how much longer I would hang on as an attorney. But I finally found my path out and I took it. And now I’m in the not-for-profit world where I feel like I get to ask every day at the end of the day, what I gave and I’m, I enjoy that immensely. That’s quite different than what you find in the law firm world, where you, you tend to be measuring your career by what you get. And I certainly did some of that during my career, but now I get to measure my life by what I’m giving. And that makes me really happy.”

 

On the Non-linearity of Life 

 

“I don’t think there’s much about life that’s linear – even if it’s somebody that’s always known what they wanted to do. And then, [once you decide to do something different] there’s nothing about life that’s linear, which makes it kind of interesting. The ups and the downs can be scary, but that’s what living on Planet Earth is. So nothing that I have ever done has been linear, including in this afterlife. I’ve learned a lot of things, post my law career, but I didn’t know about myself. That makes even what I’m doing now, not particularly linear, but I’m used to that at this point. And so it doesn’t scare me as much as it might have when I was, you know, 25 or 30.”

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For More on Mark Shaiken

Mark’s Website 

Mark Shaiken’s book on Amazon: And… Just Like That: Essays on a life before, during, and after the law.

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Related Podcast Episodes You Might Like

The Skill Set for Life’s Transitions – Bruce Feiler

How to Make a Wise Career Switch – Dawn Graham

What’s Your Exit Strategy? – Ashley Micciche

Are You Thinking About Going Back to School in Retirement? – Nell Painter

Take the Detour – A Second Act Career Story – Melissa Davey

Is It Time to Break Up with Busy? – Yvonne Tally

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We help people who are “retiring” from their primary career – and aren’t done yet – discover what’s next.

A long retirement is a terrible thing to waste. And a meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

Schedule a call today to discuss how we can help you make yours great.

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Do your ideas about retirement include volunteering? Retirement is not the end, it’s the beginning of a new phase of life. And a volunteer opportunity provides a new pathway. Two retirees volunteer, become friends, and later write a book about it. In this episode of our retirement podcast, we talk with the authors of  The Paths We Cross. The book is a joint memoir detailing their lives and their experiences as volunteers with AARP.

We discuss with the authors:

  • What attracted them to AARP’s Tax-Aide Program
  • What they think people need to know about volunteering, and how to find the right volunteer opportunity
  • What led them to write a book together –and what was it was like to write a book together
  • What they know now about retirement that they didn’t know before
  • What they are finding to be the best things about life in retirement –and the biggest challenges
  • Their advice on retirement for someone who’s planning to retire soon

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Wise Quotes

On Retirement

“…Retirement can be fun if you choose to do the right thing.”

On Goals

“…Set goals for yourself, goals that will fulfill your needs. Think about what you’d like to do that you couldn’t have done before. Maybe a hobby, maybe something else, but set your goal before you retire.”

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Bios

Noam Eimer is an information technology professional with a Master’s degree in Civil Engineering from Newark College of Engineering (now known as NJIT). Born in Israel only a few years before the country’s declaration of independence, Noam immigrated to the United States in 1964 to pursue his education after serving in the Israeli army and has lived there ever since. He has extensive experience in project management, business process engineering, large-scale application development, and new business development projects. After a 35-year career, he retired from active employment but continues to contribute his knowledge, expertise, and time to create value for his community on a volunteer basis, most notably through the AARP Tax-Aide Program. Noam has resided in the Philadelphia area with his wife for the past five decades where they also raised three children.
Bruce Satalof is a business professional with a Bachelor’s degree in Business Administration from St. Joseph’s University. Born in West Philadelphia, Bruce was the youngest of four boys to parents whose Depression Era roots were a strong influence. Whereas he thrived in sports and business endeavors, it wasn’t until his 30’s that he felt compelled to pursue a college degree in order to realize his full potential. After attending night school while working full time and helping to raise two children, Bruce achieved his dream in 2004 when he received his degree in Business Administration. Having retired from active employment after a 32-year career, he was able to continue applying his management skills as a volunteer in the AARP Tax-Aide Program. Bruce continues to live in the Philadelphia area with his wife and has found his post-retirement ventures to be a fulfilling part of his life’s journey.
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Related Podcast Episodes You May Like

The Skill Set for Life’s Transitions – Bruce Feiler

How Seniors Are Saving the World With Activism – Thelma Reese

From the NBA Hardwood to the Altar – Steve Javie

How to Live Your Legacy Now – Barbara Shaiman

Retired, But Not Done Yet – Dr. Cynthia Barnett

Making Sense of Medicare – Dan Petkevich

Retirement Planning Includes Getting Good at Getting Older – Rabbi Laura Geller

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Related Blog Post

Find the Volunteer Opportunity That’s Right for You

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We help people who are retiring, but not done yet, discover what’s next.

A long retirement is a terrible thing to waste. And a meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

Schedule a call today to discuss how we can help you make yours great.

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Parenting adult children and maintaining strong relationships with adult children, takes adjustment and flexibility. As parents get older, so do their children. While you’ll always be their parent, the lives of adult children bring new dynamics and complexities. Careers, spouses, and in-laws enter the picture. And sometimes family estrangement can occur.

In this episode of our retirement podcast, our guest is Tina Gilbertson, author of Reconnecting with Your Estranged Adult Child.

We discuss with Tina:

  • What the research shows about how common this is and how it’s trending
  • What causes some relationships with adult children to fracture
  • The different types of estrangement
  • How the path to reconciliation begins
  • What successful reconciliations have in common
  • How to keep relationships with adult children healthy

Tina joins us from Denver, Colorado.

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Wise Quotes

On Compassion

“The first step to reconciliation is to recognize that reconciliation is required and find compassion for yourself for finding yourself in this painful, difficult, sometimes excruciating position. Compassion is always the very first step…So the first step is self-compassion. That’s also important because when you can find compassion for yourself, you naturally find that you feel more compassion also for your child. And that is a good basis for forming a connection. That mutual compassion is sort of I’m okay. You’re okay. I’m a good person. You’re a good person. That’s why that in my mind is Step One.”

On Boundaries

“…When we talk about healthy relationships, one thing that almost automatically comes up is boundaries and respecting boundaries. And some people don’t like the concept of boundaries because it feels aggressive or it feels cold. But I think that is a misinterpretation of what boundaries are meant to do. We have fences around our yards, but we also have always a gate in the fence that can be opened and closed. It’s not a moat. It’s just saying, this is my yard. And that is not my yard. And so respecting boundaries is an important thing for parents to do with adult children. But it’s also a thing too, that they need to require of everyone else, including their adult child. “And it may seem it’s counterintuitive to talk to a parent. Who’s been rejected on willingly about holding her own boundaries. And yet it’s terribly important because many parents feel like doormats like their child is walking all over them.”

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Bio

Tina Gilbertson is a psychotherapist who specializes in supporting parents of estranged adult children and is the founder of the Reconnection Club, the essential online resource for parents of estranged adult children.

She is the author of Constructive Wallowing: How to Beat Bad Feelings By Letting Yourself Have Them and Reconnecting with Your Estranged Adult Child. Her weekly podcast is called The Reconnection Club Podcast.

As an expert on relationships and communication, she’s been featured in dozens of media outlets including Forbes, The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, and Fast Company.

Tina holds a master’s degree in counseling psychology, is licensed as an LPC in Colorado and Oregon, and is also a Board-Certified Telemental Health Provider, offering online therapy to clients in both states. Though her office is currently in Denver, she offers training and consulting all over the world.

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For More on Tina Gilbertson

Tina’s website

Her latest book Reconnecting with Your Estranged Adult Child 

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Podcast Episodes You May Like

The Skill Set for Life’s Transitions – Bruce Feiler

Can You Grow Younger? – Marta Zaraska

How Life Hacks Can Help Make Your Retirement the Best Time of Your Life – Sam Horn

Why Settle for Happiness in Your Retirement? – Emily Esfahani Smith

Advice for Successful Career Women Transitioning to Retirement – Helen Dennis

The Mind-Body Connection and The Rabbit Effect – Kelli Harding

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About Retirement Wisdom

We help people who are retiring from their primary career – and aren’t done yet – discover what’s next.

A long retirement is a terrible thing to waste. And a meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

Schedule a call today to discuss how we can help you make yours great.

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